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		<title>Comment on Open accreditation by Jason Derr</title>
		<link>http://www.renemeijer.com/?p=67&#038;cpage=1#comment-4256</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Derr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open education seems like the old University of Timbutu. Less an uni as we know it it was a collection of independent scholars who worked in loose networks. Maybe this the future with some networks having criteria for graduation or portfolios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open education seems like the old University of Timbutu. Less an uni as we know it it was a collection of independent scholars who worked in loose networks. Maybe this the future with some networks having criteria for graduation or portfolios.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Review: Classmarker by Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.renemeijer.com/?p=53&#038;cpage=1#comment-3761</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read the terms and conditions, classmarker can end the service for any reason whatsoever. This, along with the fact that they will not talk to their paying clients, makes this service unworkable for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read the terms and conditions, classmarker can end the service for any reason whatsoever. This, along with the fact that they will not talk to their paying clients, makes this service unworkable for me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open accreditation by René</title>
		<link>http://www.renemeijer.com/?p=67&#038;cpage=1#comment-1421</link>
		<dc:creator>René</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 10:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s probably very good advice Nate. And perhaps even more &#039;informal&#039; publications, like those on a personal blog or portfolio, might be helpful here as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s probably very good advice Nate. And perhaps even more &#8216;informal&#8217; publications, like those on a personal blog or portfolio, might be helpful here as well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open accreditation by Nate Otto</title>
		<link>http://www.renemeijer.com/?p=67&#038;cpage=1#comment-1402</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think in the limbo between now and when a system for open accreditation becomes popular, one of the best things students and graduates can do is publish work samples and solicit critiques. A good paper with some favorable comments by noted authors in the field might look good for a student who wants to have something to show for some open courses they took where accreditation might not necessarily be trusted by any particular observer or prospective employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think in the limbo between now and when a system for open accreditation becomes popular, one of the best things students and graduates can do is publish work samples and solicit critiques. A good paper with some favorable comments by noted authors in the field might look good for a student who wants to have something to show for some open courses they took where accreditation might not necessarily be trusted by any particular observer or prospective employer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Incentives and rules are killing us by Learning to fail &#124; Rene's Assessment</title>
		<link>http://www.renemeijer.com/?p=217&#038;cpage=1#comment-261</link>
		<dc:creator>Learning to fail &#124; Rene's Assessment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is argued that the financial crisis is one of destructive incentives, and hyperinflation of quality ratings, that lead to a massive over-investment in what turned out [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is argued that the financial crisis is one of destructive incentives, and hyperinflation of quality ratings, that lead to a massive over-investment in what turned out [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Bonobo&#8217;s learn by Rene&#8217;s Assessment &#187; My learning disabilities</title>
		<link>http://www.renemeijer.com/?p=127&#038;cpage=1#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>Rene&#8217;s Assessment &#187; My learning disabilities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] our institutions and systems, which is not trivial. How are we going stimulate learning, if we are not teaching? How do we verify that learning has taken place, if we aren&#8217;t sure how create authentic and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] our institutions and systems, which is not trivial. How are we going stimulate learning, if we are not teaching? How do we verify that learning has taken place, if we aren&#8217;t sure how create authentic and [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Certified professional by René</title>
		<link>http://www.renemeijer.com/?p=194&#038;cpage=1#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>René</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Seb,

I don&#039;t think CMALT was overly prescriptive. If anything I suppose I would looking for ways to firm these schemes up somewhat, but I am unsure how that could be done without stifling innovation and creativity too much. Sometimes it almost feels like qualifying as a mechanic because you have a screwdriver (I&#039;m exaggerating of course, but I&#039;m sure you get my point).

Personally I found it useful to reflect on some of the topics that CMALT requested, but I do also wonder about the extent to which this certification could &#039;guarantee&#039; a certain level of competence. Does this certificate have an intrinsic and objective value to a future employer or client? That&#039;s something I am unsure of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Seb,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think CMALT was overly prescriptive. If anything I suppose I would looking for ways to firm these schemes up somewhat, but I am unsure how that could be done without stifling innovation and creativity too much. Sometimes it almost feels like qualifying as a mechanic because you have a screwdriver (I&#8217;m exaggerating of course, but I&#8217;m sure you get my point).</p>
<p>Personally I found it useful to reflect on some of the topics that CMALT requested, but I do also wonder about the extent to which this certification could &#8216;guarantee&#8217; a certain level of competence. Does this certificate have an intrinsic and objective value to a future employer or client? That&#8217;s something I am unsure of.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Certified professional by Seb Schmoller</title>
		<link>http://www.renemeijer.com/?p=194&#038;cpage=1#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Seb Schmoller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi René, you make an interesting point. I hope we got the structure of CMALT broad enough to avoid it being over-prescriptive; but I agree with you that we must guard against systematisation being at the expense of innovation and creativity.
Seb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi René, you make an interesting point. I hope we got the structure of CMALT broad enough to avoid it being over-prescriptive; but I agree with you that we must guard against systematisation being at the expense of innovation and creativity.<br />
Seb</p>
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		<title>Comment on Online Collaborative Assessment by Rene&#8217;s Assessment &#187; VLE&#8217;s not yet showing much value</title>
		<link>http://www.renemeijer.com/?p=178&#038;cpage=1#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Rene&#8217;s Assessment &#187; VLE&#8217;s not yet showing much value</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] most of the added value I think is found in the facilitation of activities, such as for instance online collaborative assessment, and not the digital storage of materials. Looking at our own experiences using Blackboard, I think [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] most of the added value I think is found in the facilitation of activities, such as for instance online collaborative assessment, and not the digital storage of materials. Looking at our own experiences using Blackboard, I think [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Scholarly assessment by René</title>
		<link>http://www.renemeijer.com/?p=142&#038;cpage=1#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>René</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I fully agree with you Ken. If you are right then we have no means by which we can establish that learning has taken place to the desired level. And while I agree that it is not always easy to do this, I don&#039;t think it is impossible.

I don&#039;t think a mark should ever be considered to be directly proportionate to learning. A zero mark does not reflect zero learning, just as zero degrees Celcius does not mean no temperature. What it means is that on the scale you chose to measure particular learning outcomes, the student scores zero, which on any scale that I am aware of would indicate that for those outcomes the learner did not pick up what you had intended. He or she might have picked up other things, but that is not the subject of the assessment, not do I think does it have to be.

I&#039;m curious though, with your stated skepticism on assessment, how do you think we should verify learning has taken place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I fully agree with you Ken. If you are right then we have no means by which we can establish that learning has taken place to the desired level. And while I agree that it is not always easy to do this, I don&#8217;t think it is impossible.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think a mark should ever be considered to be directly proportionate to learning. A zero mark does not reflect zero learning, just as zero degrees Celcius does not mean no temperature. What it means is that on the scale you chose to measure particular learning outcomes, the student scores zero, which on any scale that I am aware of would indicate that for those outcomes the learner did not pick up what you had intended. He or she might have picked up other things, but that is not the subject of the assessment, not do I think does it have to be.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious though, with your stated skepticism on assessment, how do you think we should verify learning has taken place?</p>
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